Message 16752 of 29717 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # ___ Go From: Jason Claiborne Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: let's bitch some more.... clay says: oh my... i don't know why you are being so particularly antagonistic. thanks for trying to help me see the error of my ways, espeically when it comes to how the law enforcement officials at burningman behave. since i've only been a few times i wouldn't really know what to expect from them. rotflmao have you been to burningman? have you read the website? have you seen the map? there are roads. i understand that you don't think that they are roads however the rest of the populace, and more importantly, the police see them as such. this is not that much of an issue and i have no idea why you are tyring to make it one. ******* joe says: Little for me to adapt to, as I'd just as soon not have an audience when I make love to somebody, but that is neither here nor there. Besides which, you're changing the subject. Mark asked about public nudity. You're talking about public intercourse. If the two were the same thing, the birth rate in Southern France would be phenomenal. ****** i was addressing the follow up to the question that would follow. you can walk around nude but not have sex in public. the standards for what is considered public have been detailed in this document http://www.burningman.com/preparation/event_survival/law_enforcement.h tml i didn't make it so complain to someone else if you don't like it. you are right. i should have specifically addressed the question, the method i chose to use was unclear at best. ****** joe goes on to say: This may be the most clueless comment about a legal matter, in the history of the Republic. Think about what you just said. "The same laws that every municipality has ..." You clueless idiot ! Every municipality makes its own laws. Every local court system, and every federal district, has its own set of legal precedents. There is no such thing as "the laws that every municipality has". In New York City, it is legal for a woman to ride topless on the subway. In Zion, Illinois, some years back, that very same woman could have been arrested for showing her bare ankle in public. ****** clay responds: so would you call pot prohibition a law that covers all municipalities in america? i sure would. hmmm... if what you mean to say is that every city has different ordanances, you'd be correct however, i was hoping that we could avoid such narrow distinctions for the purpose of ease of communication. i see that is not the case. ******* joe says: Besides which, IT'S NOT A CITY. How hard is it for you to get this through your thick skull ? "Black Rock City" is a fiction, and not even a legal fiction. Real cities have charters. They are recognized by their states. And they don't disband at the end of a festival, because it would really, really annoy the state legislature to have to keep re-approving the application on a yearly basis. (LOL, shaking head). ******* clay responds: i know it's not a city. why can't you get that through your thick skull? your opinion about what is and what is not real is simply your opinion and may differ for other viewers. crikey, who pissed in your cheerios? ********* > people should > behave as they would in any city, be discreet when you break the law > especially since you know that in this place there are more cops per > person than almost any other city you care to name. joe says: Clay, if that were true, and one really couldn't do anything at Black Rock City that one couldn't do back home, then what would be the point to even going ? The whole point to the festival is that normal expectations DO get set aside, and that you CAN see and do things there, that you couldn't see and do back home. ******* clay responds: somehow i suspect that you are not implying that the only reason to go to burningman is to break some law, correct? you're going for some other reasons, right? i'd like to see the grocery store that will accept a bead necklace for my purchase of bread and fruit here in baltimore. you can do all kinds of things that you don't do back home... you can ride a bike with your eyes closed for miles and miles without worry of hitting something. you can experience radical self reliance and enjoy a cocktail in the belly of a metal dragon. ******* joe initiates a personal attack: Clay, there's no nice way to say this, so I'll just say it. You're a coward. You're running scared because if you do something that 'you're not supposed to', you MIGHT get in trouble. Shit, man, if you think like that, why are you even going ? Accidents happen. One of the fire spinners might hit you. You might get lost in the desert. Who knows ? Who cares ? ********* clay volleys: joe. you have spoken out of turn. you don't know me or do you know what i'm like or what i've done. i have no idea why you've take this tact to try to make your point, seems as if you posess enough intelligence to articulate something other than base personal attacks. it would appear that you misunderstood my email in every possible way... and yes there is a nice way to say it, it's called being nice. a fire spinner will not hit me, i will not get lost in the desert (laughing my ass off at that one!!@) and actually lots of people care if anyone gets lost in the desert, even you. ********* joe explains life: Life is risk, at at least some level, or it isn't lived at all, at least not in this world. And, if all that you're ever going to do, are things that you absolutely know won't ever get you in trouble, and you end up living in that box, then what exactly is it about that life, that would make you so afraid of having it disrupted, or even of losing it ? Because let me tell you, on those terms, it's not like you're going to be missing out on any experiences. ****** clay asks: is life a risk? what do you risk? the hollow shell that holds your spirit? and what great loss is the mortal coil? to what end do you induldge your senses and trap yourself in samsara? ****** joe says: there is nothing to this rumor but bullshit, and I am absolutely prepared to put "my money where my mouth is", as the cliche goes. A lot of people do, every year, without incident. So guys, why sweat it ? ***** to which clay responds: exactly. whew. i knew we'd get there together. i was trying to state that that was just a rumor but i did a poor job of it. fini ******* Message 16752 of 29717 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # ___ Go Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines ______________________________________________________________________ Copyright © 2002 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help