Subject: Fwd: Re: [burningcorn] One thing that wasn't too cool at B.C. --- In burningcorn@y..., Geoff Hudson wrote: Well I shot quite a lot of video footage at Burning Corn just to remember it because it seemed like it was going to be something really amazing that I would want to remember and share with my friends when I got home. I shot whatever caught my interest and I didn't ask anyone's permission but I thought I was very discrete with my camera. It would have been nice to ask each person's permission to tape them but a lot was happening and I was trying to catch as much as possible. Also, I feel like stopping a person and asking if I can videotape them in a way interrupts THEIR experience of the moment. If nothing else, my video footage has made a bunch of people from Michigan interested in coming to next year's! By the way... The Button was AMAZING. I wish I didn't live so far away or I'd come see you guys whenever I had the chance. I had a very long drive and only got a couple hrs. sleep so I ended up passing out around 3am but I was hearing your sounds as I was drifting in and out of my drunken slumber and it was perfect and blissful. Geoff "trippy visuals guy in the van" --- Gary Xaoui wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Dunphy > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:03 AM > Subject: Re: [burningcorn] One thing that wasn't too > cool at B.C. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Gary Xaoui wrote: > > > > > I was busy blowing fire and missed some of the > best burn stuff, I am > glad to > > > know that it was documented. This is a age of > media, people and > recording > > > equipment are everywhere. > > > > No, Gary, it's not. We could get into some vague, > handwaving debate about > > the spirit of the age, but that's beside the > point. What is on point, is > > that this is very poor hospitality, and it simply > isn't done, especially > > when the participants in question >aren't > celebrities<, and do expect > > their privacy to be respected. > > I disagree, I am vidio taped and recorded in public > all the time, servalince > and security camars, hidden in places without > warning. When are you ever > alowne in a largre city? Last time I was alone in > Chicago it was in my > rented rooms hotel toilet. > > > On a personal level, had your friend approached > me, and asked me if I > > would mind be photographed, I might have been > willing to discuss the > > possibility with him. There are friends who have > earned my trust to such > > an extent, that I've even told them to just go > ahead any time they want, > > because I know it will be done with respect, and I > feel comfortable with > > that. In some cases, I would even feel honored, > whether I was clothed or > > nude at the time, just to be part of the person's > work. > > > Just to be clear, the person who took the image in > question, is no more my > friend than yours, I do not know thins person and > have had only contact with > them via e-mail previously. In fact I am not sure > who he is still. It > seems to me that in the images he posted, people are > only reconisable to the > persons who attended. I think he did a good job > with the images. They > document the energy that was happening quite well. > > > A stranger playing paparozzi, however, is a much > different feeling. So is > > being put on TV. That could get to be a nuisance. > > > > > Events like this are never private, people are > > > all around you, some are participating and > others are not. Spectators > while > > > not appreciated are still a reality. > > > > Well, there are spectators, and there are > spectators. The people who go to > > an event like "Burning Corn", with a tiny handful > of exceptions, are going > > to be so cool about almost anything you do, that > you're going to feel > > comfortable about doing it in front of them. The > people on Columbus Public > > Access TV, though ? God only knows. And it's not > like Columbus is this > > tiny little town that none of us are ever likely > to visit, or move to. > > This could be a problem. > > Well I do not know how this thread of any part of > Burning Corn being shown > on Col. Public T.V. got started. Right now not much > is being showne on our > P.A. tv. and what is shown on there is a lot more > shocking and pushing of > the limits then anything that happend at Burning > Corn (I can and will > explain further if nessisary) There was mention of > showing it on Athens > Public acsess by a person called, 'The Sawmi' in > this E-Group. And that > person was told to,"ask first, shoot later." > > > > > Now, if you were talking about a film intended to > be shown to small > > audiences in coffeehouses, and other places where > people again, would be > > cool with that, because they had made an effort to > go out and see that > > kind of thing, I suspect that you'd find that > almost everybody would be OK > > with that. But, again, you have to check with > people, and Phil just > > didn't. It's not like I would have been hard to > find, either. I was 6'4", > > naked, and out all night, going from camp to camp. > How much more > > conspicuous could I have been ? > > > > Were that the case, as unfortunately it was not, > it would be a simple > > matter to announce this at the beginning of the > program, and, again, > > people would be put at ease. > > > > > If you would not want your behavior > > > viewed by others then you possibly should > reconsider your motivation for > > > doing it. > > > > Which behavior ? Everything has its own audience. > I certainly feel no > > shame for having made love to my ex-fiance, but > would I want to have even > > my closest friends watch me do so ? Probably not. > Nor would it be > > expected, or accepted, without the both of us > agreeing. > > Any behavior done in a public setting. > > > A gathering like this may not have the same level > of intimacy, but it does > > have some, and it should. What is intended for > those sharing an > > experience, is not necessarily intended, or > appropriate for global > > distribution. This is a given, Gary ? No. It is > unheard of. > > What you do outside in public is just that public. > Prehaps you have not > noticed this trend in the last few years, the > internet and Media have made > it 'normal' it is very heard of. Turn on the TV and > you are bombarded by > images of people doing things in public with out > being given the oppertunity > for consent. I have seen poeple on the news from > allover the world being > shown doing stuff that they might not be so prowd of > others seeing them do. > (soccer rioters for example) > > > > > > the time. if there are things you do not want > others to Hear, do not > say > > > them, do not want others to read you most privet > thoughts? Do not write > them > > > down, same with how you act. If you don't do it > then no one will > see...... > > > > This begins to sound a little like "1984". Choose > between your privacy, > > and your freedom ? > > Its not a matter of chouseing between privicy and > freedom. Its a matter of > saying, acting, doing things that you want others to > experiance. Part of > freedom is being responcable for you actions. > > > > > > I guess I just live my life in such a way as to > not need to 'let my > hair > > > down' or 'cut loose' by living life the way I > want to and not caring so > much > > > what society thinks. > > > > Yeah, well, Gary, part of the point, here, is that > if you want a festival > > to be a festival, you have to create an > environment in which people feel > > comfortable enough to get there, in their own > time, === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --- End forwarded message ---