Subject: Fwd: Re: [burningcorn] One thing that wasn't too cool at B.C. --- In burningcorn@y..., Henry Kilpatrick wrote: >From what I've seen of Burning Man on the internet, there are a hell of a lot of photos of nekkid people, probably few of whom permission was asked. And if you were to surf the web looking for unstaged nudity, it would be rather easy to find. Or just go to Bourbon Street in New Orleans on any Saturday night and you'll see women lifting their shirts and dropping their drawers and lots of men with cameras. Don't think that those pictures don't make it to the web. One might well expect to be photographed at a semi-public event such as Burning Corn. But what the hell, the more people that show up nekkid on the internet or even public tv, the less should be the concern about such things. Every politician of a certain age admits to smoking marijauna & they are suspect if they didn't. Maybe the next thing is that you can't expect to hold public office unless your nude photo is somewhere on the web. It was really a great gathering. My hat is off to Gary & Kristin and the other folks for putting it all together. It was well worth the drive from VA. Buddy --- Gary Xaoui wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Dunphy > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:03 AM > Subject: Re: [burningcorn] One thing that wasn't too > cool at B.C. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Gary Xaoui wrote: > > > > > I was busy blowing fire and missed some of the > best burn stuff, I am > glad to > > > know that it was documented. This is a age of > media, people and > recording > > > equipment are everywhere. > > > > No, Gary, it's not. We could get into some vague, > handwaving debate about > > the spirit of the age, but that's beside the > point. What is on point, is > > that this is very poor hospitality, and it simply > isn't done, especially > > when the participants in question >aren't > celebrities<, and do expect > > their privacy to be respected. > > I disagree, I am vidio taped and recorded in public > all the time, servalince > and security camars, hidden in places without > warning. When are you ever > alowne in a largre city? Last time I was alone in > Chicago it was in my > rented rooms hotel toilet. > > > On a personal level, had your friend approached > me, and asked me if I > > would mind be photographed, I might have been > willing to discuss the > > possibility with him. There are friends who have > earned my trust to such > > an extent, that I've even told them to just go > ahead any time they want, > > because I know it will be done with respect, and I > feel comfortable with > > that. In some cases, I would even feel honored, > whether I was clothed or > > nude at the time, just to be part of the person's > work. > > > Just to be clear, the person who took the image in > question, is no more my > friend than yours, I do not know thins person and > have had only contact with > them via e-mail previously. In fact I am not sure > who he is still. It > seems to me that in the images he posted, people are > only reconisable to the > persons who attended. I think he did a good job > with the images. They > document the energy that was happening quite well. > > > A stranger playing paparozzi, however, is a much > different feeling. So is > > being put on TV. That could get to be a nuisance. > > > > > Events like this are never private, people are > > > all around you, some are participating and > others are not. Spectators > while > > > not appreciated are still a reality. > > > > Well, there are spectators, and there are > spectators. The people who go to > > an event like "Burning Corn", with a tiny handful > of exceptions, are going > > to be so cool about almost anything you do, that > you're going to feel > > comfortable about doing it in front of them. The > people on Columbus Public > > Access TV, though ? God only knows. And it's not > like Columbus is this > > tiny little town that none of us are ever likely > to visit, or move to. > > This could be a problem. > > Well I do not know how this thread of any part of > Burning Corn being shown > on Col. Public T.V. got started. Right now not much > is being showne on our > P.A. tv. and what is shown on there is a lot more > shocking and pushing of > the limits then anything that happend at Burning > Corn (I can and will > explain further if nessisary) There was mention of > showing it on Athens > Public acsess by a person called, 'The Sawmi' in > this E-Group. And that > person was told to,"ask first, shoot later." > > > > > Now, if you were talking about a film intended to > be shown to small > > audiences in coffeehouses, and other places where > people again, would be > > cool with that, because they had made an effort to > go out and see that > > kind of thing, I suspect that you'd find that > almost everybody would be OK > > with that. But, again, you have to check with > people, and Phil just > > didn't. It's not like I would have been hard to > find, either. I was 6'4", > > naked, and out all night, going from camp to camp. > How much more > > conspicuous could I have been ? > > > > Were that the case, as unfortunately it was not, > it would be a simple > > matter to announce this at the beginning of the > program, and, again, > > people would be put at ease. > > > > > If you would not want your behavior > > > viewed by others then you possibly should > reconsider your motivation for > > > doing it. > > > > Which behavior ? Everything has its own audience. > I certainly feel no > > shame for having made love to my ex-fiance, but > would I want to have even > > my closest friends watch me do so ? Probably not. > Nor would it be > > expected, or accepted, without the both of us > agreeing. > > Any behavior done in a public setting. > > > A gathering like this may not have the same level > of intimacy, but it does > > have some, and it should. What is intended for > those sharing an > > experience, is not necessarily intended, or > appropriate for global > > distribution. This is a given, Gary ? No. It is > unheard of. > > What you do outside in public is just that public. > Prehaps you have not > noticed this trend in the last few years, the > internet and Media have made > it 'normal' it is very heard of. Turn on the TV and > you are bombarded by > images of people doing things in public with out > being given the oppertunity > for consent. I have seen poeple on the news from > allover the world being > shown doing stuff that they might not be so prowd of > others seeing them do. > (soccer rioters for example) > > > > > > the time. if there are things you do not want > others to Hear, do not > say > > > them, do not want others to read you most privet > thoughts? Do not write > them > > > down, same with how you act. If you don't do it > then no one will > see...... > > > > This begins to sound a little like "1984". Choose > between your privacy, > > and your freedom ? > > Its not a matter of chouseing between privicy and > freedom. Its a matter of > saying, acting, doing things that you want others to > experiance. Part of > freedom is being responcable for you actions. > > > > > > I guess I just live my life in such a way as to > not need to 'let my > hair > > > down' or 'cut loose' by living life the way I > want to and not caring so > much > > > what society thinks. > > > > Yeah, well, Gary, part of the point, here, is that > if you want a festival > > to be a festival, you have to create an > environment in which people feel > > comfortable enough to get there, in their own > time, === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --- End forwarded message ---