Subject: Fwd:  Re: [burningcorn] That was really disappointing

--- In burningcorn@y..., Henry Kilpatrick <eat_more_toadstools@y...> 
wrote:
One problem with establishing any rules against
photography is that then you have to have "cops" to
enforce the rules.  If it gets complicated, especially
since this would not seem to be the most enjoyable
volunteer task, before long you have to hire bouncers
and charge admission instead of passing the hat.  So
it's much easier to allow photography, but perhaps it
would be useful to make it clear on the website that
it is allowed if this is the path you take.

At this point there seems to be no commercial value in
Burning Corn images, but if things ever got to that
point, you'd have an additional issue of how to make
sure B.C. received royalties (which could conceiveably
pay the expenses of putting it on). It's all
speculation right now, but something to think about
for the future.

Buddy



--- Gary Xaoui <gxaoui@c...> wrote:
> As to the comparison of Burning Corn TO Burning Man
> with the tree/Treehouse
> issue.  You must remember that in the early 90d's
> when BM started as a small
> beach party, the accessibility to image recording
> equipment Still Image, or
> Video, Digital or Film, was not like it is now. 
> Hell I got a pop up ad
> today for a wireless digital camera, that was
> slanted to 'spy on people'.
> Think back to how you first heard of events like
> this one, or Burning Man
> itself.  Did you immediately understand what it was
> about?  Did you see
> images of it?  Did you just hear stories about the
> wild, crazy, stuff that
> went on in the name of Art, Community, or Neo-pagan
> individualism?
> I am an artist, that is the most important thing in
> my life.  Putting on
> events like this on is one of the ways I enjoy
> expressing myself.  A large
> part of that is setting up the environment for
> others to do so also.  I take
> great pride in what I (with the expellant help of
> others) have been able to
> for this community.  When a peace of Art becomes so
> large that I cannot
> experience it all and still perform in it I feel
> sort of cheated.  In
> hearing stories and looking at some of the images I
> missed some really cool
> stuff. (like the firecrackers making a wild strobe
> effect when going off
> inside the core.  I put them there.  I would have
> like to have seen that!)
> Hopefully some of the video documentation will
> provide me with better ideas
> on how to make better Art.  Like placement of
> fireworks, position and
> amounts of fuel, or improving my firebreathing
> technique.
> As a working Professional Artist the one thing I
> have found you cannot get
> enough of is documentation.   Sure Kristen can tell
> you all about her 16'
> tall Ear of Corn, show you some images of it being
> built, set up, and
> displayed.  But its burn and the activities that
> were inspired to happen
> around it are what its point as an object of art
> was.  So shouldn't she be
> able to document the event?  And shouldn't other
> Artists be able to use this
> event to make art of there own?  The images posted
> did that well.  I am not
> condoning the use of just your individual image take
> out of context, and
> posted without your consent.  But when its used as
> documentation and you are
> not readily Identifiably and the image is part of an
> overall peace.   I feel
> that is very acceptable, and most often the style of
> image people are taking
> at such an event.
> 
> GXAOUI
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cult Goddess <cultgoddess@c...>
> To: <burningcorn@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [burningcorn] That was really
> disappointing
> 
> 
> > "THE CHEESY POLE"
> > I suggested the pole to mark, and he agree. We are
> not trying to shut down
> > the discussion, honestly, that was never my
> intention.  As organizers of
> > this event, we thought a pole was a good idea to
> get a more accurate count
> > of what our 69 or so members of the burning corn
> list are thinking as far
> as
> > camera presence/use.  Feel free to continue with
> the discussion.  I do see
> > the point you were making with the tree seed, I
> don't nessesarily agree
> with
> > it, but it is a valid point.  It is also a
> different angle on the
> discussion
> > at hand, and I am interested in what other think.
> >   Please reference "kinda missing the point
> (videotaping)"
> > One more thing, Put yourself in the position of
> the organizers for a
> moment.
> > we want to make this an enlightening experience
> for everyone.   We are
> > exploring how we can do that in a similiar manner
> as to how this
> discussion
> > is taking place.  I am feeling  that chilling
> effect you expressed
> > experiencing at the burn possibly creaping onto
> this very message board.
> > Discussion is nessesary, but at some point topics
> do come full circle.
> >    On a completely different note GX and I were
> discussing official
> > committees this evening.  perhaps we need a
> privacy-publicity committee,
> to
> > handle these issues in the future? My two cents: I
> was kind intrigued by
> the
> > idea that someone threw out of having a designated
> documentation area.
> >
> > Kristen
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > burningcorn-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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