From Joe Dunphy Tue Sep 28 14:04:36 2004
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joe Dunphy" (my address removed) Add to Address Book
Subject: RE: How radical is the inclusivity? was: [Bopcamp] Judgement Day Event- Nov 2nd @ TransAmoeba

To: "Oliphant, Michael" <oliph@uic.edu>, "andy" <andy@majorpanic.org>, bopcamp@transamoeba.org

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"Oliphant, Michael" wrote:

> .. I'm calling a moratorium on this issue.
> .. No replies, no counter-replies, no last words. It dies here.

No, it dies here, and so does my membership on this list.

No decent person could look at the exchange that just took place and feel that Andy, aka @ndy, was even remotely justified in posting that flame. It was a rude, trolling response to a civil inquiry than came out of a reasonable concern. After that explosion of bile, I can see just how reasonable those concerns were. And frankly, after what happened a few days before the Meetup, I'm a little reluctant to let burners into my home, period. Those of you who I talked with at Moonshine probably already know about the incident I'm referring to. The repair bill will probably end up costing me a few hundred dollars, and at the very least, it tied up maintenance personnel who could have been elsewhere, for a few hours.

I felt that it was a gross abuse of my hospitality. I was a little mystified by why it would have even occured, but now I think I know. You people are holding onto a flamewar from 2001? Wow, that's messed up! Obviously, if this is how it is, no more inviting burners over to my place. I don't want to find out what's going to happen next, although not helping one's host with cleanup seems to be part of it.

As for staying on this list, not only don't you criticize Andy's rudeness, but you're telling me that I can't even speak up in my own defense? Scr** this. There's no such thing as being neutral when one member of a list is being harassed by another member who just plain can't let go of the fact that he lost an argument three years ago. I'll be unsubscribing now, and removing Bop Camp from my list of Bookmarks, and I think that you know what you can do with your drum circle on Wednesday. Apparently, the same thing that somebody did with my soapdish last week.


Joseph Dunphy



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