From: karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) Subject: Re: Joseph Dunphy 's attack on soc.culture.israel Date: 26 Dec 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <4bpdnp$iss@Venus.mcs.com> references: <4b9ont$aem@jik.datasrv.co.il> <4bnujg$hp5@jik.datasrv.co.il> <4bp0 av$5an@Venus.mcs.com> <4bp3ac$vmj@jik.datasrv.co.il> organization: MCSNet Ops, Chicago, IL newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc In article <4bp3ac$vmj@jik.datasrv.co.il>, Jonathan Kamens wrote: > >The situation as it now stands: You refuse to discipline one of your users for >mail-bombing other users on at least two different occasions (you won't even >admit that there was anything wrong with those mail-bombings). You refuse to >discipline one of your users for on-going, completely off-topic postings in a >newsgroup, even though the fact that those postings are off-topic and are >being posted in the newsgroup for malicious reasons has been explicitly >admitted by the user. You have responsed to the accusations of misconduct >against your user with accusations of misconduct against the accusers, and you >have claimed on multiple occasions that you have proof of your accusations, >but when asked to provide it you have refused to do so (or simply ignored the >request) (Can you say "McCarthyism"? I knew you could). In fact, I have not refused to discipline anyone. The investigations conducted here, and their results, ARE NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS. Got it? Our TOS issues are between our subscribers and US. Not you, not the public, not anyone who feels like demanding that we "open our books". No sir. That's not how we operate here. In fact, several people *have* called for directed, email harassment of this user, and the posting of email-bombs to his account. You've been implicated in this, and in fact HAVE sent the user in question email. That much I've proven. You've also not alleged that ANY further transmissions were recieved by you once you ceased sending email to this user, and notified him that you wanted no further contact. Why is that Jonathan? Perhaps the original replies were in response to *YOUR* unsolicited email to him? What was in that email Jonathan? What was in your posted material? Was there, by any chance, an attempt made by you to orchestrate a mass-response to Mr. Dunphry with the intent of overflowing his mail spool and our resources here? A "mailbomb", defined as *unsolicited* email message(s) from a person of inordinate size, has not been substantiated here. If you orchestrate a campaign of harassment, and the target returns your (and your cohorts) messages to you as a package, do you have a right to complain? I think not. You have not submitted tracable evidence pointing to the "mailboming" you allege occurred, including message IDs from the messages which you claim were sent by this person. Email is *EASILY AND TRIVIALLY* forged, and you are nowhere NEAR to having "clean hands" here. This also isn't the first time you've tried to get someone you hotly disagree with removed from the net and our systems. Remember the others Jonathan? Shall I start listing them? Does "arf" ring any bells for openers? >Instead, I will wait until a week goes by without any messages appearing in >the thread (to give you a chance for any last licks you wish to post), and >then I will alias out your site on my home NNTP server and on the NNTP server >I maintain at my place of employment. I will also contact the News admins at >MIT, with whom I still have some involvement, and ask (after presenting the >messages in the thread in news.admin.net-abuse.misc) for them to alias out >your site too (I can't do it at MIT unilaterally, because I'm no longer one of >the News Admins In Charge(tm) there). I will also modify our SMTP >configuration at work, and the one on my home machine, to disallow incoming >mail from your site. Go ahead Jonathan. You're welcome to alias anything at your home site. I can and will find your place of employment, and will raise the issue with them. If you act at MIT, or any other government-subsidized agency, in this fashion I will bring criminal computer fraud and abuse charges as well as a First Amendment civil and criminal complaint. You are fairly warned Jonathan. I will issue no further warnings, and no directed threats. I am a man of actions Jonathan, and I can and will pursue this matter to the ends of the earth.