> .. From: petro@suba.com .. (Petro)
> .. Subject: Re: KARL SHUT THE HELL UP YOU NAZI
> .. Date: 08 Nov 1995 00:00:00 GMT
> .. Message-ID: <47q06g$ae9@suba01.suba.com>

> .. references: <47j31g$fup@Jupiter.mcs.net> <47jk8q$fs4@News1.mcs.net>
< jpolaski-0611951522340001@pool2-050.wwa.com>
<47m8la$fdk@Venus.mcs.com>

> .. organization: Firehouse
> .. newsgroups: chi.internet

> .. Joseph B. Dunphy <stats@MCS.COM> wrote:
> .. High "Darkangel", remeber me?

Apparently better than you remember spelling class. "Hi" is a greeting. "High" is what you must have been when writing those posts.

> .. Maybe these lines you wrote will spark a memory:

> .. > .. Just out of curiosity, how would you feel about a request that
> .. > .. you publish your home address (where you live, not your e-mail
> .. > .. address) so me and a few of my friends could come over and
> .. > .. discuss matters with you, possibly with the help of a few
> .. > .. baseball bats ? I'm sure that it wouldn't matter to you that
> .. > .. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs., and the small one in the group. I'm sure
> .. > .. that you'd just be dying to say "yes".

> .. > .. What, not receptive? Gee, maybe you even have the notion that
> .. > .. 'accepting the results of your actions' doesn't include
> .. > .. accepting abusive behavior. Gosh, how irresponsible of you to
> .. > .. try to "hide from the results of your actions", like that. Grow
> .. > .. up, creep. This isn't the Wild West. There are limits to
> .. > .. acceptable behavior, and a bare minimum level of expected
> .. > .. civility.

> .. (for those who wish to read the entire discussion that generated this
> .. posting, I archived the thread here.
> .. http://www.suba.com/~petro/htmltext/Darkangel.html)

For the record, Mr. Petro has not kept a copy of that thread up on his web page, which is nowhere near its space limitations as of the time of this writing. I checked. I also would have liked to have had a copy of that thread (and even better, some of Petro's e-mail) for the Halls here, so I could show the reader exactly what manner of man Mr. Petro is.

He seems a lot less enthusiastic about letting people see for themselves what actually happened than his posturing would suggest.

> .. > .. Jim Polaski (jpolaski@wwa.com) wrote:

> .. > .. > .. Well LUCE,,,
> .. > .. > .. I'm no fan of Karl and his policies and how he treates his
> .. > .. > .. customers, BUT ...

> .. > .. I am. Karl gets a lot of extremely unfair press.

> .. And a lot of fair press, but that isn't the issue I am here to discuss.

> .. > .. The technical problems that I've encountered have been livable.
> .. > .. I've found, when targeted by mailbombers, and other trolls, that
> .. > .. I've gotten support from MCS that was lacking elsewhere. This
> .. > .. gives its' customers a freedom of expression lacking for those
> .. > .. subscribing with other providers. Like Suba, for example.

> .. Of course, when you are doing things deliberately to CAUSE
> .. problems. like threatening people, which IS what got your account
> .. pulled at suba, along with violating YOUR WORD that you would
> .. refrain from incendary behavior,

As already noted, I threatened nobody. The same can not be said of you, Mr. Petro, or of those on the child porn groups, that you were such a good and caring friend to.

This, I'm going to take from from someone who used to post under the i.d. "petrol" with "Firehouse" as his organization? Yeah, right, you're going to give me a sermon about flaming, an activity which seems to be about all that you ever do on line.

As for giving your little friends "my word", again, for the record, I did nothing of the sort. I never have, and never will agree to a limitation on my right of free expression in a public forum, save for that mandated by well considered law, and how dare you suggest that I would or should? Why would I agree to as absurd a request as that? What is the use of access to a forum, if one may not speak freely in it?

Yes, I did ask one of them (Todd or Alex, I have trouble telling you geeks apart) for a definition of what he meant by "incendiary behavior". None was forthcoming. I did, at the time, express some concern for his difficulties, and suggested the possibility of my using an anon account for further posting, in order to spare him further hassle. That isn't "giving one's word", that is "offering to do someone a favor". A favor that was not owed - getting trolled is part of the business. If Todd and Alex can't handle that, as they've admitted to me that they can't, then maybe they need to find a new line of work, much like you need to find a new therapist. The offer was made in a spirit of courtesy, not as part of a negotiation that never happened.

Todd/Alex/Whoever then said that he liked the idea, and offered to help me put it into effect, going on to offer to help me set up a mailfilter, as per my request, as a matter of reciprocal consideration - I didn't enjoy getting harassed any more than he did, or, for that matter, any more than I enjoyed seeing him get harassed at the time.

This offer on his part never became more than empty words, leading me to ask for help from one of the other users on suba.general in order to do what he never got around to, though I did not phrase it that way. This mild request was followed by your online temper tantrum over the very thought that someone might not cooperate with a flamer (someone like you) who wished to harass him. Shortly after that, the ever timid Todd/Alex/Whatever backed off from his earlier offer and refused to admit after that, that he had ever made it.

You then followed with a series of tirades over the very thought that I'd want a mailfilter - something that is now a standard bit of software in ISP accounts, just like killfiles were before.

> .. which caused suba to be
> .. mailbombed a couple times, threatening THE REST OF SUBA's

Wrong, pal. There's a little thing in life called "free will". The only people who "caused" Suba to be mailbombed were the idiots who chose to do the mailbombing.

> .. customers access, and generally making an ass of yourself.

Well, you see, I have this funny idea that an act reflects on the person who commits it, not the person who it is done to. Apparently, you believe in "blaming the victim". Coward.

Some more mealymouthed doubletalk (written by Petro) follows.

> .. Suba, being Todd and Alex, ARE commited to freedom of expression,

Freedom of expression as long as no one objects, you mean. One has that kind of "freedom" in mainland China.

> .. however they really don't like opening up themselves to the
> .. threat of a lawsuit that will cause them to loose what for most

A lawsuit in response to what, my revisionist friend? There is no law against mocking people online. By the way, it's spelled "lose". Loose is what your hold on reality is.

> .. of us would be a sizable investment, in addition to the legal
> .. hassles involved, and the loss of access your actions could have
> .. caused the rest of us.

The one being mailbombed is breaking the law? Isn't that taking things a little backward?

> .. Would you like to explain to the rest of chicago what exactly
> .. caused the problems to begin with?

Gladly. That's why I've put this up on my website, and listed it with the search engines. Now, would you like to explain to "the rest of chicago" what Suba was doing, breaching its contractual obligations and then defaming one of its former paying customers on behalf of a group of now convicted child porn trafficers, and then defending their right to harass the customer into silence?

It would seem to me that you have rather more to hide than I do.

> .. > .. Really, people, like no other local provider has been having
> .. > .. Tech problems. Please. Memories seem to be getting a little
> .. > .. selective around here, though.

> .. Yeah, aren't they.

They sure are, you lowlived trolling sack of shit.

> .. Coward.

Scum.

The only regret I would feel if someone bludgeoned you to death, would be at the thought that you could not be made to suffer any more. Of course, that's exactly the idea, and exactly what your source of pleasure is. You are a flamer, or to use more contemporary terms, a troll. You enjoy the image of leaving other people seething. I'd tell you to go to hell, but I think that Satan deserves better company.

> .. > .. ___________________________________________________________________________

> .. > .. Hi. Please don't send any e-mail, because my filter is set to erase
> .. > .. almost all incoming mail, so I probably wouldn't ever see your
> .. > .. letter. This extreme step has been made necessary by persistant
> .. > .. e-mail harassment.

> .. Which is caused by harassing people in newsgroups and then hiding
> .. from the results.

It's caused by having to deal with loons such as Mr. Petro.

How did I "hide"? I posted in public, and people were free to respond in public. As the existence of followups by me to the feeble attempts at flaming that your allies in the pedophile groups posted demonstrate, I was reading the commentary there.

And since when is writing something unpopular a form of "harassment"? The response came in reply to ONE article in that group. This is interesting logic on your part to say the least. Writing something politically incorrect, once, in a public forum, is harassment? Mailing hundreds of copies of the same one line post, accompanied by a threat that this will continue until a particular user has his access revoked is free self expression? God, you're an idiot.

> .. BTW, the address in the Web Page is no longer accurate, to reach
> .. me about setting up a time for that little discussion you can
> .. reach me at 784-0099. I promise I won't bring more than 3 or 4 of
> .. my friends, and to keep things even, we won't use bats, guns,
> .. bottles, rocks, or knives, and the TALLEST will be about 6'2.

So you can hire someone to show up for you. Right, buddy? Even if I was that childish, I wouldn't be that trusting.

End of response to Christopher Petro



Note to any third party reading this : Long before I saw Mr. Christopher C. Petro's post, I had checked his page out of curiosity. And here's a curiosity for you : Shortly after I had visited his web page using my main net account (the one that gives my name when fingered) and read his resume (on which his address could be found), our hero yanked it down, really quickly. As of this date (July 6, 1999) has never put it back up. Almost as if he was afraid that I would take him up on his offer and didn't wish to be found. It makes the bravado ring a little hollow, wouldn't you say?

Quite unnecessary, though. I hadn't threatened him before and had no intention of doing him any violence, then. My curiosity was just that - curiosity, nothing more. Expressing a wish to respond to a difference of opinion with violence or harassment is an act worthy of a dimwitted child or a barhopper (like there's a difference), and I am at a loss to see what it is that this is supposed to prove. If Mr. Petro wishes to swagger, he may do so in my absence, until he comes up with a more intelligent response. As I've told him before, "Wake up, kid, this isn't 7th grade any more").


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